Russia Scandal -- Predictions about its impact on the future of the GOP in 2018

  • @ainigmaris-thales I don’t normally reply to you, but those four politicians you’ve quoted – particularly King and Gaetz – are total pieces of shit. Not because they’re GOP, but because they’re just pieces of shit. As is Devin Nunes, who has lost all credibility with the outside world after his shenanigans earlier last year.

    Interesting also to see you carrying water for Russians. Check out what Business Insider has to say about this so-called “movement” of the last 24 hours:

    That’s Business Insider, which isn’t political. Ya know, if I were you, I’d stick to analyzing what Mueller’s team is doing. Not these fig leafs that the compromised GOP House reps are frantically trying to place over their own dicks.

  • @jammyjaybird Where was I carrying water for Russians? All I did was quote a few members of the House of Representatives and their statements about a Committee Report. Are you suggesting that these Reps are Russian agents?

  • @ainigmaris-thales een RAH-sha, water carries YOU!

  • Some numbers on Russian Twitter disinformation during the 2016 election:

    “Through our supplemental analysis, we have identified 13,512 additional accounts, for a total of 50,258 automated accounts that we identified as Russian-linked and Tweeting election-related content during the election period… Consistent with our commitment to transparency, we are emailing notifications to 677,775 people in the United States who followed one of these accounts or retweeted or liked a Tweet from these accounts during the election period.”

    That’s 50,000 fake Russian accounts pushing divisive propaganda. Nearly 700,000 U.S. citizens followed, retweeted, or liked these accounts.

    For perspective, Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio by a grand total of only 77,000 votes.

    tl;dr We allowed Russia propaganda on Twitter to partly determine the outcome of our federal elections.

  • It will be interesting to see the next iteration of such actions. Assuming it is discovered at all.

  • @ainigmaris-thales It should be obvious to even the casual observer that ALL Republicrats are Russian agents (sarc). It’s obvious to Jammy, anyway. And those of us that fall into the libertarian / classical liberal / anarcho-capitalist camp are just as suspect. Vee are all Rah-shun agents now!

    “That’s 50,000 fake Russian accounts pushing divisive propaganda. Nearly 700,000 U.S. citizens followed, retweeted, or liked these accounts.” If this is even true, all I can say is freedom of speech is a real bitch. But since we now know that the management at Twatter is totally and completely unbiased…there is no way they’d try to cover for the DNC and their operatives in the Deep State®. Yeah. Right.

  • And now this:

    So the FBI is so incompetent it just loses crucial evidence of potential wrongdoing by their own high ranking personnel and we’re supposed to believe anything else they have to say? Right. And Strzok was cheating on his wife with Lisa Page, so we know he has to be trustworthy, right? Their remaining text messages prove they were card carrying Demoplicans who also despised Bernie Sanders. Notice that Strzok also questioned the Hildebeast without putting her under oath. Hmmm.

    But wait, there’s more. Using Jammy left-tard logic on this, Strzok sounds suspiciously like a Rah-shun surname to me. So he ees Rah-shun double agent sent to protect Rosatom / Uranium One deal and works to undermine Magnitsky act een spare time, no? But gets caught uploading Lisa Page’s software onto hees Rah-shun hard drive! Ees too funny, comrade!

  • @jammyjaybird blathering your support for one candidate or another does not constitute tampering with an election. Twitter, Fartbook, et al. are private, global entities who can say whatever they want. NO ONE is changing their vote based on them any more than on a BS commercial or poster.

  • @bem Correct that it wasn’t election tampering (AFAWK). But Russia did commit influence tampering, using social media tools that barely existed four years earlier, from the comfort of their own chairs at IRA and RU. We’ll never be able to quantify how many, but these actions certainly changed the votes of more than a few U.S. citizens.

    I just put it up as one example of the multi-pronged cyberoffensive that Russia is waging upon our country right now, as we speak.

  • @jammyjaybird Do you have any evidence as to which candidate these Russian Twitter bots promoted? Because, as I seem to recall, Facebook itself announced that most of the Russian ads that were placed on it were actually in support of Hillary. Although I might be wrong.

  • @ainigmaris-thales The Russians clearly supported the Hildebeast. Shit, she let them buy 20% of U.S. uranium production and the FBI was in on it! Coincidentally about the same time Slick Willie gave a speech in Moscow for the paltry sum of $500K. No influence peddling there… The Ruskies knew Hillary and that she not only could be bought, they’d already done so. Trump? He was an unknown and possibly really was intent on draining the swamp, which wouldn’t help them one bit. Just wait 'til all of the shit that the DNC / team Hillary did comes to light. Misuse of FISA, letting “contractors” have unsupervised access to FBI resources, influence peddling, snaking Bernie Sanders, etc., just for starters. Yeah. Some people are undoubtedly going to jail and it won’t be the people Jammy wants.

  • @boothe I dont think they like her because she was so hot to go to war with them.

  • @jammyjaybird why would Russia want to make trouble for us?

  • @bem I don’t believe Russia wants to make trouble with us (and by that I mean the Russian elite) at all. But they do want more control over the world’s economy. Hence the effort to bump the petro dollar, military presence in Syria, ties to Iran, etc. It’s all about power for the sake of power. Hillary can be and has been bought. She’s a known value. Trump’s a loose cannon (or so it appears to the left-tards) and couldn’t be counted on to sell out. Hell he’s already very rich. Swinging the election to Madame Reset’s favor would have benefited Russia because the Hildebeast and the former rapist in chief are both globalists. Trump appears to be a nationalist, like Putin. They will have to make deals with Trump. Hillary was for sale. 'Tis much easier to deal with someone you already know is a prostitute.

  • @boothe I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but now you’ve gone off the deep end, way out into looney-tunes land. Your statement that “Trump couldn’t be counted on to sell out [to Putin]” shows that you’re buried deep inside Mt Stupid on the left side of the Dunning Kruger graph.

    Fact: Currently, there are 270 people associated with the Trump/Russia scandal, all of whom have between one to five different ties to Donald Trump. Politico even made a nice colorcoded interactive chart of all 270. Take a few minutes to look through it.

    Educate yourself.

  • @bem Russia’s goal is to weaken all NATO countries, and the West in general. They’ve meddled in Brexit, they’ve meddled in Catalunya, they meddle wherever they find racial or ethnic fault lines. They exploit those weaknesses, like good counterespionage agents do.

    “There should be no fuzz on this whatsoever, the Russians interfered in our election.” - Former FBI director James Comey, June 8, 2017.

    The reasons for Russian interference in the US? There are many, but here are two:

    1. Putin opposed Clinton as president because Obama had done an “Asia pivot” that would see an increasing U.S. presence there; Clinton was going to continue this pivot. Both China and Russia are deadset against an increased U.S. presence on their continent. That’s why there’s all sorts of skirmishes in the North China Sea.

    2. The Magnitsky Act, passed nearly unanimously by Congress in Dec 2012 and signed into law under Obama, placed sanctions upon Russian officials involved in human rights abuses by prohibiting them from using the U.S. banking system. This was a big blow to the Russian oligarchy/mafia’s money laundering system. Clinton signalled that, as president, she was going to continue those sanctions. By backing Trump, Putin counted on the Deranged Orangesicle to drop these sanctions, which the Deranged Orangesicle tried but couldn’t do, since we’re a nation of laws, not of men.

    If you want to understand the background better, read the book “Red Notice” by Bill Browder. Browder had been the biggest outside investor in Russia in the late 2000s, and Sergei Magnitsky had been his lawyer in Russia before he was arrested for no reason and tortured to death, for no reason. It’s an electrifying story when you see just how corrupt and vicious the Russian system has become under Putin.

  • @ainigmaris-thales It seems that Russian counterops were disseminating pro-Bernie, pro-Trump, and pro-Stein propaganda, as well as anti-Hillary propaganda. All of it was intended to either bolster the GOP turnout or split the Dem vote. The left played a smaller role but is not exempt from this scandal. Bernie Sanders is going down, and Jill Stein even stupidly took photos of herself in Red Square in Moscow in 2014.

    Russians have interfered on both sides of the game, right and left. To them, it makes no difference. MSNBC is just as compromised as Fox News. For fuck’s sake, the FBI just raided Newsweek magazine – who knows what they had reason to search for there.

    Russia’s goal is the destabilization of the U.S.

  • @jammyjaybird

    Russians have interfered on both sides of the game, right and left.
    Russia’s goal is the destabilization of the U.S.

    Finally, some actual objective perspective on the situation.

    It seems that Russian counterops were disseminating pro-Bernie, pro-Trump, and pro-Stein propaganda, as well as anti-Hillary propaganda.

    The Russians intrusions in American media and politics included pro-Hillary and anti-Trump activities as well as anti-Hillary and pro-Trump activities, because, as you said, their goal was destabilization.

  • @ainigmaris-thales No, the Russians have infiltrated only our media on the extreme right and extreme left. In our politics, the Russian influence is far, far, far greater on the right. At this point, as is slowly being revealed by the Mueller investigation, the Republican party has largely become a Russian money-laundering operation. Dems have their own problems with corruption for sure, but conspiracy with Russians is not one of them.

    Putin’s overriding goal was to keep Hillary Clinton out of office – or anybody who believed in Russian sanctions – and he pulled a thousand strings from 2012 to 2015 to persuade the Oompaloompa to run for president. He used the Miss Universe pageant, Ukrainian bankers, Russian lawyers, you name it to reach the Oompaloompa. He even extended an endless line of Russian credit to the Oompalompa, who no longer qualified for loans from U.S. banks because his company was viewed as a poor investment. I’ve read estimates from $2 to $3 billion loaned to Trump via Russian oligarchs.

    Putin knew it was a long shot, since the Oompaloompa was unstable, simple-minded, and a political outsider, but he probably thought it was worth a try. Once the Oompaloompa got a taste of public applause at his first few rallies, and it looked like he was picking up some momentum, Putin orchestrated the Oompaloompa to accept Russian intelligence on his likely Democratic opponent, intelligence which Julian Assange had provided via Wikileaks.

    The problem for the Oompaloompa was that accepting this Russian intelligence is a federal crime. This is what Mueller’s team is specifically investigating.

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