Water baptism



  • I know we come from different denominations and such but do you guys believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation or no and give reasoning



  • @iattacku I am what would be considered an “Anabaptist”. I believe that you should be old enough to understand why you are being baptized and do it knowingly, willingly and intentionally. Since Yeshua was baptized in the river, I chose to be baptized in the river. Although I don’t believe it is necessary for salvation (nor any other “ritual”, it’s what’s in your heart that matters), I think it is a good thing to do as a witness to others around you. Just my $0.02 worth…



  • @boothe and I agree that all Christians should be baptized in water . I just don’t believe that the water baptism is needed for salvation like my current church , catholic, and other denominations I guess. I know jive used the scripture in which Jesus said one must be born of water and spirit. But wouldn’t the water be the word of God l. The word of God( Jesus) has been compared to water.



  • Born of water can also be interpreted to mean childbirth as in amniotic fluid. When the “water breaks” you are born shortly thereafter.



  • @boothe The Apostle Peter was given the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. In Acts 2:37 he was asked what the people who had listened to him preach should do to be saved. He replied, “Repent, be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost”. These three acts represent the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and the death and burial of our old sinful nature and the rising of our spiritual nature.

    Every time someone was saved after Peter preached they were baptized in Jesus Name and received the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues.



  • @jumpnjive Cornelius and his family received the Holy Spirit before they were baptized in water





  • I think people trying to figure out God is like an ant trying to figure out an iPhone.



  • @ainigmaris-thales you more of a deist I assume



  • @iattacku So did I, but those three steps are essential. Baptism washes you clean. The old man needs to be buried. If it was not essential why would Peter have mentioned it? Baptism does not save you, neither repentance. Being filled with the Holy Ghost isn’t what saves you. These are all evidence of salvation, not salvation themselves, but someone who is saved will follow these steps.

    Salvation IS through Christ’s sacrifice and grace, but these signs follow them that believe. An unfruitful tree will be cut down.



  • @jumpnjive Exactly my point about being a good witness.



  • @jumpnjive Thats kind of what i was saying. Some people and denominations get to into the water will save you and forget jesus is the one who saves. I do agree that someone who truly has faith will repend and be baptized in water(Even jesus was baptized in water). I wasnt saying that water baptism was optional(every christian should do it as shown in acts) i was just saying that i dont believe that a person is unsaved until they are baptized in water. if that was the case then if someone died on the way to their baptism then they would go to hell.



  • @iattacku “if that was the case then if someone died on the way to their baptism then they would go to hell.” Exactly! God is not a child abuser. In my experience, if something it purely dogmatic and doesn’t make good common sense, it didn’t come from God. The minute some theologian or church “elder” tells me something that they don’t have a reasonable explanation for and expects me to “just take it on faith”, I raise an eyebrow. All has been revealed to us, we just have to search out a matter. Sadly, most people won’t because it requires effort and determination.



  • @ainigmaris-thales But the bible gives us some clues.



  • @boothe yea i have always been one to question things especially if they dont make sense to me. I cant picture God going “well even though you believe in me and decided to follow my ways but because you died before you were dipped in water you can’t enter my kingdom.” For me when i look at scripture i tend to follow these steps. 1. What is the culture at the time( the historical perspective)? 2. What are the scriptures around it? 3. How does this relate to God’s message as a whole? If something doesn’t line up then i will research it, ask other brothers about it, and pray on it until i get my answer.



  • @iattacku Agreed. Paul said that if someone was living according to the Law without knowing the Law it was counted unto them for righteousness. James said faith without works is dead. “Show me your faith without works, I’ll show you my faith BY my works.” We are saved by grace but there should be a difference in someone B.C. and A.D. People that say they are saved but live hedonistic lifestyles are NOT saved, because the Spirit will not dwell in an unclean temple.

    Do we make mistakes? Sure! But there is a difference between someone falling short and someone making a conscious decision to sin.



  • @jumpnjive Falling short and repenting of it is one thing. But having this “once saved, always saved” attitude and thinking you can continue to carry on as a worldly person is pure fallacy. Yeshua said “Go forth and sin no more.” He didn’t say “Hey, you’re good. You can go back to your sinful ways now.” I’ve always been curious as to just what it was that He wrote in the sand that day. I’ll bet it was list of the sins of her accusers by name.



  • @boothe I heard an older preacher say he believes that is what Jesus wrote as well.

    Christ told the woman, “Neither do I condemn you. Go and SIN NO MORE.” (emphasis mine)

    My church catches flack because we dress modestly and don’t participate in a lot of activities. Our women wear dresses/skirts, no makeup or jewelry. The men wear longer sleeves and pants in public. We don’t go to bars or clubs. We don’t feed on Hollywood. This is not to say we are better than anyone else or to say that what we do saves us, this is what we feel we can do to demonstrate our changed inner man.

    When Christ said, “Man looks on the outward, but God looks on the heart.” He didn’t give free license to do or say whatever we wanted. He was pointing out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees in that they looked good outwardly but had nasty spirits.



  • @ainigmaris-thales said in Water baptism:

    I think people trying to figure out God is like an ant trying to figure out an iPhone.

    I am inclined to agree to a certain extent, although we are told we are created in the (spiritual) image of God. We are told that the natural man cannot know the mind of God (1 Corinthians 2). I believe this takes us back to the discussion we had about wisdom on the comments section. The “natural man” is governed by his flesh. He is not in tune with the Source of his life force. So all he can understand is that which is of the physical world. But by opening ourselves up to the Holy Spirit, quite literally to the endless body of energy and knowledge from which we, the creation, are derived, we will be given greater insight into that which we cannot see. What I have been given is this: God is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing) and eternal (without beginning or end). So therefore God can be but one thing, the entire Universe. And we, the creation, are merely a tiny experiential part of that, put here in physical reality as a form of school if you will. If you are willing to learn and advance by seeking that which is good and right, you move onward and upward. If you don’t your spiritual energy gets recycled.



  • @jumpnjive that is something we can all agree on. Jesus call people to follow him not just believe him. He outrightnsays if you love him you will obey his commands . I think the orthodox churches viewpoint on this matter is interesting. It is more of that everyone is in a process of salvation or something like that. And that’s good that your church takes purity seriously . At my congregation if you want to go on a date with a sister you have to go on a double date


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