2nd Amendment Discussion

  • @jak You are applying common sense to this argument (and I agree with you of course). But the anti-gun zealots have no interest in logic, reason or common sense. The leadership are tyrants and they want their intended subjects disarmed through whatever means are necessary and effective. Their foot soldiers (the one’s that aren’t paid shills, bused to the latest protest or offered 15 minutes of fame) are true believers. Taking away our guns “for the children” is akin to a religious conviction. Where you and I can look at this situation as you have described it and realize the net benefit of private firearms ownership, the left looks at an NRA member and sees Satan. As others have pointed out, if the 100 million plus law abiding U.S. gun owners with over 300 million guns and trillions of rounds of ammunition were really the problem, we would know it immediately.

  • Would existing gun laws have prevented the Waffle House shooting if they had been followed? Of course they would: https://www.westernjournal.com/if-current-laws-had-been-followed-there-would-have-been-no-waffle-house-shooting/

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    @boothe The father should be charged with a criminal negligence or something to that effect. The police took the guns from the kid because he was deemed mentally unfit to possess them and the father asks if he can take them. Then the idiot turns right back around and gives the kid his guns back!

  • @jak My thoughts exactly. You can’t tell me that his father didn’t know he was a mental case. Once again, the laws are in place to prevent this sort of thing already. But they have to be followed. You can have the strictest gun laws in the world, such as France does. But the determined criminal(s) will acquire guns one way or the other as the Paris mass shootings prove. And if they can’t or won’t be bothered to acquire a gun, they will simply rent a van and run over people.

  • Thanks David “Camera” Hogg! You and your fellow travelers need to keep up the good work on the astro-turf campaign of #MarchForOurLies. It’s working! Just not the way you intended: http://americanlookout.com/liberal-backfire-nra-breaks-15-year-fundraising-record/

  • Okay, enough anti-Jamstering on “that other thread”. But he did lead me to a “progressive” site that those of us in the gun rights community need to be aware of: https://thinkprogress.org/weve-gotten-under-the-nras-skin-84dfb449c404/ I guess they think bashing the NRA is a good idea. And so do I. Even Time (a Jamster approved “source”) saw the writing on the wall, even though they tried to downplay it: http://time.com/5176471/national-rifle-association-membership-florida-shooting/ So to all you leftists out there: You’re doing more for the gun rights movement and gun sales than Obama did! And that’s amazing! Before it’s over with it won’t be “a chicken in every pot”, it may end up “an AR-15 in every home”. Keep up the good work!

  • @boothe Oklahoma is looking more like a conservative friendly place.
    Oklahoma House passes ‘Constitutional Carry’ gun bill - Fox News

  • They join us (Missouri) and Kansas in that regard. Good deal! There will be more…

  • @boothe the only downside to oklahoma is the shit weather due to it being in like a convergence area where warm,wet,and dry air meet. State averages 62 tornadoes per year.

  • @iattacku We have similar weather here too. When we first moved here from the East Coast the locals warned us about tornados. I had to laugh. I would respond with “Okay, but where I’m from we had hurricanes, which often brought…tornados.” No matter where you go there’s always going to be some kind of weather to complain about. The important thing to me though is individual liberty and that starts with the right to defend ourselves, our loved ones, our state and ultimately our nation. With 10% less government, lower overall taxes and more freedom than the coastal state I moved from, I can put up with a bit of flaky weather. What I can’t put up with are flaky people who want to punish me for the crimes of others, take my property and want to silence me when I disagree with them. My privately held firearms ensure that those people remain in awe of me.

    I once asked a local deputy what he would do if he and his coworkers were issued orders to confiscate our firearms. He responded, “Nothing.” I asked him why. He said “Because folks around here know where we live.” Indeed! Smart man. The Second Amendment is the final check and balance in this Constitutional Republic and when those who are charged with enforcing the law, the state’s foot soldiers, understand that if they become tyrannical it can cost them dearly, they will desist from tyranny. And that is always a good thing.

  • @boothe it makes you wonder if this is what the current elite or shadow government or whatever was trying to do all along. Make sjw and political correctness so unbearable that you turn everyone into constitutional conservatives so America can truly be great again

  • @iattacku I have wondered the same thing myself at times. But I think we really do have a highly vocal and virulent minority that are true believers with respect to victim disarmament. And make no mistake that’s what they mean by “reasonable gun safety laws”. I think the Soros / Bloomberg nexus has seriously underestimated the public resolve about keeping our guns. What we are seeing with gun rights organizations increased recruitment and donations, along with gun sales numbers, is more than likely blowback in response to this latest putsch by the left. It’s not a joke that David “Camera” Hogg is a phenomenal NRA recruiter as well as gun salesman. To a lesser extent that butch Cuban Communist sympathizer Emma Gonzalez is too.

    I really would like to believe that it’s a master plan by covert forces to restore the Constitutional Republic, but I don’t. Governmental and social trends are cyclic and often end in division and conflict. This cycle arguably runs at about the same frequency as a long human life; eighty years. We are due for a Forth Turning and we are watching secular “winter” play out right now. Fortunately spring always follows. I would not be surprised to see at least part of the United States formally split up and FedGov lose it’s power over much of the rest of the world. That wouldn’t be a bad thing in my mind. FedGov is now too big to succeed, so failure is imminent although we may not live to see it. IIRC, it took Rome about 300 years to collapse. But I have no intention of sitting back to watch this show disarmed, I assure you.

  • True. This reminds me of that one picture where it goes “hard times creates strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Then weak men create hard times.” We are at the weak men create hard times part. So we are about to shift to the hard times create strong men.

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  • The Battle of Athens (Tennessee) is a case in point for remaining armed and trained, with modern rifles, to overthrow government corruption when necessary. We think of armed conflict in the United States in terms of the Revolutionary War or Civil War. We don’t think in terms of having to take a county government back by force. But that’s exactly what happened in Tennessee in 1946. Here’s an interesting point of history you won’t read in mainstream publications, because like the intentionally buried CDC reports on defensive gun use, it supports the right to keep and bear arms. From a group of people who may know a little something about victim disarmament and genocide: http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/athens.htm

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    @boothe Working my way through the story, but one interesting note is that those attempting to prevent an honest election were the Democrats. What’s even more interesting is that the first shot fired was from one of the men sent in to bully the voters and that he shot a black man in the back. It seems the tactics might change but the Dems remain the same.

  • Oh, do you mean like this Democ-Rat? http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/did-lbj-say-ill-have-those-nggers-voting-democratic-200-years Yeah the Democ-Rats are such fine, truthful folks. They do everything they can to keep all of us “on the plantation”, not just black people. Seems like Kanye West sees through their “squid ink” and the leftist propaganda machine entertainment industry is having a fit. “Disarmed & Dependent” should be the Democ-Rat’s motto. That would be truth in advertising. Don’t hold your breath. When you finish up with the Battle of Athens, here’s some food for thought on the racist roots of gun control: http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/cramer-racist-roots.htm

  • Well, well. It finally comes out. The Parkland school shooter, after repeated denials by superintendent Robert Runcie, was referred to the Promise Program. Runcie was on record with this: “Let me reiterate this point. Nikolas Cruz, the shooter that was involved in this horrific accident at Marjory Stoneman Douglas, had no connection to the PROMISE program.” Now it turns out that was a lie. http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/07/parkland-shooter-was-part-of-controversial-discipline-program/

  • The CDC did extensive surveys on defensive gun use from 1996 - 1998. Why did they bury their findings? What they discovered almost exactly mirrored Gary Kleck’s 1992 assertion that defensive gun use occurred 2.5 million times a year in the United States. Somehow I don’t think those were the results the Clinton administration was looking for. XD

    The source article is here: http://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/04/30/unpublished-cdc-study-confirms-2-million-annual-defensive-gun-uses/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2018-05-08&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

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