2nd Amendment Discussion
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@boothe Heh, to a point.
On the one hand you have Jesus. On the other, Nero. Both claimed to be God.
I don’t know that Jesus had any stringed instrument experience though.
@ransom Maybe you took my statement “When a man tells you who he is, believe him.” a bit too literally, LOL. In Yeshua’s (Jesus) case, He claimed to be the son of man. I would refer you to Mark 10:18 “And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” Nero on the other hand…
@boothe that is another good topic for the religion forum. The vast majority of Christians believes that Jesus is God but from reading the gospels anytime someone compares Jesus to God he is quick to point out that God is greater than him . He also pointed out that only the father knows when the second coming will happen not him
@iattacku Yes, I know. The truth doesn’t seem to sell very well with the masses or the hierarchy when it comes to religion or politics. I’ve met pacifist “Christians” over the years that sound like left wing liberals when it comes to the right to keep and bear arms. They fail to understand that carrying a sword (Luke 22:36) or its modern equivalent, the defensive handgun, promotes peace and order in the community. When you are a hard target you are less likely to be attacked or robbed. In the event that it happens anyway you are more likely to survive and even thwart the act of aggression.
When the criminal element has reason to believe they will be injured or killed there is less likelihood they will commit the crime to begin with. Heinlein’s admonition (which is certainly an over-simplification) that “An armed society is a polite society” has a certain amount of timeless truth in it. Those who would forcibly take that which does not belong to them tend to think twice before attacking those who are or may credibly be armed. Those who do it anyway end up being run off, held for the police or shot by armed citizens over 2.5 million times a year in the United States. Gee, I wonder why the “progressive left” strives so hard to keep that data buried?
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
Texas Church: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Santa Fe High School: AR-15
the number of school shootings that have happened since the year 2000 around the world:
SOUTH AFRICA: 5
@jammyjaybird more people still die from hand guns and bare hands than ar 15s
@jammyjaybird since you love the fbi so much
@iattacku murder is sadly a part of human life – BUT we can at least make it hard for lunatics to murder large groups of strangers. AR-15s have no place in civilian life.
@jammyjaybird You are, of course, cherry picking and oversimplifying statistics to fit your narrative. Based on death and injury statistics, get back to us once you ban cell phones: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/gun_control_nope_teenagers_need_cell_phone_control.html
This isn’t England, Australia, Mexico (we’ll get back to Mexico) or Europe. How about France? France is listed by gunpolicy.org as a restrictive nation for private gun ownership (Source: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/france). Neighboring Belgium is also a restrictive nation (Source: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/belgium). In 2015 alone there were more mass shooting casualties in France there than there were in the United States during the entire time Obama was in office (Source: https://crimeresearch.org/2017/02/france-suffered-more-casualties-murders-and-injuries-from-mass-public-shootings-in-2015-than-the-us-has-suffered-during-obamas-entire-presidency-508-to-424-2/). Where did many of the guns come from? Belgium. And they weren’t semi-auto “assault weapons” (which is a made up term by the media to sound scary). No, the perpetrators used fully automatic assault rifles. Which were illegal. There was no one armed that could immediately respond. Not even the police. That’s gun control in action for you. Compare that with the man who stopped the church shooting in Sutherland Springs, TX with an AR-15: https://www.truthrevolt.org/news/reminder-former-nra-instructor-armed-ar-15-stopped-tx-church-shooting
So let’s look at Europe’s statistics versus the United States: https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/ If you like foreign countries’ gun control policies then move to a foreign country. Otherwise you will have to tolerate our Second Amendment and our so-called “gun culture” because despite all the left wing histrionics to the contrary, we are not giving up our guns. Fun fact: the NRA has now topped six million members! Keep up the good work recruiting Emma Gonzalez, David Hogg and every other leftist out there!
@jammyjaybird yes it is. But once again more people die each year from knives and bare fists than ar 15s. Also I disagree . The second amendment was put in place so people can protect themselves from regular assailants, foreign governments, and a tyrannical federal government.
When the assault weapons ban took effect in 1994, the number of people dying in mass shootings fell by 43%. After Republicans allowed the assault weapons ban to lapse in 2004, the number of gun massacres more than doubled.
The Second Amendment was never intended to permit mass slaughter. It was intended to permit “a well regulated militia”.
According to Gallup, 96% of Americans want universal background checks. The vast majority of gun owners are in favor of common sense gun safety laws.
The NRA spent $55 million on the 2016 presidential election (half of which was apparently donated by the Kremlin). The NRA does not represent gun owners; it represents gun manufacturers, and their task is to help those manufacturers maximize profits from the sale of more weapons.
@boothe what a lot of people don’t get as well is that violent crime in the us is very concentrated
@jammyjaybird the 2nd amendment says the right to bear arms which means the founders expected civilians to potentially be as armed as any military .
But once again more people die each year from knives and bare fists than ar 15s.
True, but I’m not trying to say that we should outlaw knives and fists (lol). I’m saying that the small portion of murder in the US that is committed 1) with AR-15s and 2) in the context of mass shootings … can be easily avoided by removing those weapons.
We’ll always be killing one another in this country. But this particular type of mass murder has been skyrocketing, obviously, and it can be at least reduced, and hopefully stopped, by reinstituting an assault weapons ban.
@jammyjaybird all hey would have to do is switch over to pistols or get a rifle illegaly. And the government will not just stop at an assault weapons ban
all hey would have to do is switch over to pistols or get a rifle illegaly.
You can’t discharge nearly as many rounds with a pistol as you can with an assault weapon. That’s my entire fucking point.
@jammyjaybird “AR-15s have no place in civilian life.” There are a lot of folks that agree with you. Let’s see here…
Vladimir Putin: The regulation of guns in Russia is categorized as restrictive http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/russia
Kin Jung Un: In North Korea, no civilians may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/north-korea
Xi Jinping: In China, civilians are not allowed to possess any firearms http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/china
Raúl Castro: The regulation of guns in Cuba is categorized as restrictive http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/cuba
And, if he were still around, I am sure that SS Brigadefuhrer Jurgen Stroop would agree with you too. See this: http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-warsaw-ghetto-uprising.htm and this: http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/stroop.htm
The Second Amendment is the final check and balance in our system of government whether you like it or not. The AR-15 has every place in the hands of civilians and if you really were a patriot, instead of a leftist mole, you would agree. You would even agree that we have every right to own fully automatic M-4 carbines and other military weapons, since those are applicable to militia use. Putting civilians on equal footing with the standing army is the purpose of the Second Amendment. Only a government that wants to be able to push us around with impunity attempts to disarm us. As for me, I’m not going meekly off to the ditch outside of town. But you help yourself, comrade.
@jammyjaybird true but pistols are easier to conceal, handle, and maneuver. So it’s a trade off
Sorry, it looks like early reports were wrong: Apparently this kid in Texas didn’t use an assault weapon. He used his father’s pistol, shotgun, and planted pressure cooker bombs or something.
It’s just sad. There were even armed security guards on campus, and they couldn’t stop this psycho. I don’t see any solution to these situations.
However, I still believe that reinstituting an assault weapons ban would be good overall, especially since assault weapons have no practical civilian purpose. Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford (both Republican presidents) supported the last ban, citing public opinion.
And before people here start misrepresenting my position with slippery slope arguments, NO, I’m not in favor of taking away any other weapons. We’re a violent country that loves its firearms; it’s our identity, and nothing will ever change that. The weight of history is too strong. But assault weapons are unnecessary for any reason except ideological ones. If you’re in favor of private ownership of AR-15s, you should theoretically be in favor of private ownership of nuclear missiles as well.