2nd Amendment Discussion

  • @boothe Oklahoma is looking more like a conservative friendly place.
    Oklahoma House passes ‘Constitutional Carry’ gun bill - Fox News

  • They join us (Missouri) and Kansas in that regard. Good deal! There will be more…

  • @boothe the only downside to oklahoma is the shit weather due to it being in like a convergence area where warm,wet,and dry air meet. State averages 62 tornadoes per year.

  • @iattacku We have similar weather here too. When we first moved here from the East Coast the locals warned us about tornados. I had to laugh. I would respond with “Okay, but where I’m from we had hurricanes, which often brought…tornados.” No matter where you go there’s always going to be some kind of weather to complain about. The important thing to me though is individual liberty and that starts with the right to defend ourselves, our loved ones, our state and ultimately our nation. With 10% less government, lower overall taxes and more freedom than the coastal state I moved from, I can put up with a bit of flaky weather. What I can’t put up with are flaky people who want to punish me for the crimes of others, take my property and want to silence me when I disagree with them. My privately held firearms ensure that those people remain in awe of me.

    I once asked a local deputy what he would do if he and his coworkers were issued orders to confiscate our firearms. He responded, “Nothing.” I asked him why. He said “Because folks around here know where we live.” Indeed! Smart man. The Second Amendment is the final check and balance in this Constitutional Republic and when those who are charged with enforcing the law, the state’s foot soldiers, understand that if they become tyrannical it can cost them dearly, they will desist from tyranny. And that is always a good thing.

  • @boothe it makes you wonder if this is what the current elite or shadow government or whatever was trying to do all along. Make sjw and political correctness so unbearable that you turn everyone into constitutional conservatives so America can truly be great again

  • @iattacku I have wondered the same thing myself at times. But I think we really do have a highly vocal and virulent minority that are true believers with respect to victim disarmament. And make no mistake that’s what they mean by “reasonable gun safety laws”. I think the Soros / Bloomberg nexus has seriously underestimated the public resolve about keeping our guns. What we are seeing with gun rights organizations increased recruitment and donations, along with gun sales numbers, is more than likely blowback in response to this latest putsch by the left. It’s not a joke that David “Camera” Hogg is a phenomenal NRA recruiter as well as gun salesman. To a lesser extent that butch Cuban Communist sympathizer Emma Gonzalez is too.

    I really would like to believe that it’s a master plan by covert forces to restore the Constitutional Republic, but I don’t. Governmental and social trends are cyclic and often end in division and conflict. This cycle arguably runs at about the same frequency as a long human life; eighty years. We are due for a Forth Turning and we are watching secular “winter” play out right now. Fortunately spring always follows. I would not be surprised to see at least part of the United States formally split up and FedGov lose it’s power over much of the rest of the world. That wouldn’t be a bad thing in my mind. FedGov is now too big to succeed, so failure is imminent although we may not live to see it. IIRC, it took Rome about 300 years to collapse. But I have no intention of sitting back to watch this show disarmed, I assure you.

  • True. This reminds me of that one picture where it goes “hard times creates strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Then weak men create hard times.” We are at the weak men create hard times part. So we are about to shift to the hard times create strong men.

  • 'Nuff said…


  • The Battle of Athens (Tennessee) is a case in point for remaining armed and trained, with modern rifles, to overthrow government corruption when necessary. We think of armed conflict in the United States in terms of the Revolutionary War or Civil War. We don’t think in terms of having to take a county government back by force. But that’s exactly what happened in Tennessee in 1946. Here’s an interesting point of history you won’t read in mainstream publications, because like the intentionally buried CDC reports on defensive gun use, it supports the right to keep and bear arms. From a group of people who may know a little something about victim disarmament and genocide: http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/athens.htm

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    @boothe Working my way through the story, but one interesting note is that those attempting to prevent an honest election were the Democrats. What’s even more interesting is that the first shot fired was from one of the men sent in to bully the voters and that he shot a black man in the back. It seems the tactics might change but the Dems remain the same.

  • Oh, do you mean like this Democ-Rat? http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/did-lbj-say-ill-have-those-nggers-voting-democratic-200-years Yeah the Democ-Rats are such fine, truthful folks. They do everything they can to keep all of us “on the plantation”, not just black people. Seems like Kanye West sees through their “squid ink” and the leftist propaganda machine entertainment industry is having a fit. “Disarmed & Dependent” should be the Democ-Rat’s motto. That would be truth in advertising. Don’t hold your breath. When you finish up with the Battle of Athens, here’s some food for thought on the racist roots of gun control: http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/cramer-racist-roots.htm

  • Well, well. It finally comes out. The Parkland school shooter, after repeated denials by superintendent Robert Runcie, was referred to the Promise Program. Runcie was on record with this: “Let me reiterate this point. Nikolas Cruz, the shooter that was involved in this horrific accident at Marjory Stoneman Douglas, had no connection to the PROMISE program.” Now it turns out that was a lie. http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/07/parkland-shooter-was-part-of-controversial-discipline-program/

  • The CDC did extensive surveys on defensive gun use from 1996 - 1998. Why did they bury their findings? What they discovered almost exactly mirrored Gary Kleck’s 1992 assertion that defensive gun use occurred 2.5 million times a year in the United States. Somehow I don’t think those were the results the Clinton administration was looking for. XD

    The source article is here: http://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/04/30/unpublished-cdc-study-confirms-2-million-annual-defensive-gun-uses/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2018-05-08&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

  • @boothe not only that but around half of all gun related deaths are suicide. So the whole guns are the big bad narrative is weakening by the minute

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    @iattacku Actually it’s closer to 2/3 of all gun related deaths are suicide. I believe I remember a number of 30,000 annual gun-related deaths being thrown around back when Camera Hogg was still relevant, but they were including suicides which was approximately 20,000 of those deaths.

  • @jak Your “closer to 2/3” figure is quite correct. Even the New York Times had to acknowledge that: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html

  • If you don’t believe the “progressive left” want to take your guns, think again. They want to stop school marksmanship programs even if it’s just air rifles or archery to prevent spreading the “gun culture”. Archery? Now what in the world does archery have to do with this so-called “gun culture”? See this: http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/11/new-york-linda-rosenthal-shooting-sports-spreads-gun-culture/

  • Boothe my man, I have to somewhat disagree with the Dems being consistent over time. Have they been consistently evil over time? Sure. The Repubs have been consistently milquetoast-evil over the same time period. Both of them more from successful exploitation of the political ecosystem than principled adherence to some kind of demonic DNA.

    It is easy to see a consistency and say, “ah! it’s been the same thing all along.” How easy is it to create a multi-generational conspiracy? It’s a bit like the Federal Reserve Bank. It couldn’t have been designed in order to enslave the world into debt over a hundred and fifty years. The people who started it did not care about their great-great-great grandchildren ruling the world. They just set something into motion that affected the next ten years, they were replaced by people who had their eyes on the subsequent ten years, and so on. The systems inhabit niches and attempt to expand them. The consistency is more due to a relatively-stable social energy dynamic over the observed time period. Institutional memory, not constitutional memory.

    All in all, if the Democrats of today were suddenly replaced with the Democrats of a hundred years ago, I’d probably vote for them – but they’d have to bring their own spittoons.

  • @ransom If I came across as thinking that the Democ-Rats were consistent over a long time-line, let me clarify. We have actually seen the D and R sides of this WWE style staged political cage fight flip sides. It was, arguably, the Democ-Rats that wanted to keep slavery intact and the Rethuglicans that wanted to free the slaves (not really, but it was good PR to keep the French and English out of the war). There is credible historical evidence that Lincoln supported socialism and especially National Socialism. There’s no doubt that “Honest Abe” was a Henry Clay whig. Here’s what that means: https://mises.org/library/henry-clay-national-socialist

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