China: the CCP, COVID-19, and information warfare with the West

  • Covid-19 is the plague of the century.
    The lies that China has told regarding its origin and spread are going to radically transform geopolitics.
    This thread will try to look at the world’s response to those lies.

    BTW, I’m absolutely no expert in China. Though I’ve travelled to or lived in 30 different foreign countries, I’ve never really felt much interest in China.
    I’m not a fan of Confucianism, nor Legalism. The people always struck me as tone-deaf and awkward.
    Their current government – the CCP, or Chinese Communist Party – seems to have zero regard for facts or truth.
    A colleague who’s travelled there a lot told me recently, “China is definitely not for everybody.”

    In fact, the only person I ever knew who lived there (7 years) came back to the US with stomach cancer after getting repeated food poisoning in Shanghai. His gastroenterologist believes it was from the filthy cooking oil that is reused between food stalls.
    This was a white guy who spoke fluent Mandarin – and was only 29 years old.
    He survived the surgery pretty easily but said he won’t ever be returning.


    I’m a quick study. And if my life has taught me anything, it’s that my interests change over time.
    So I’m looking forward to writing down what I learn.
    I read and write pretty fast and it takes much less time than you may think for me to post here.

    Please contribute to this thread if you have facts about China to offer.
    After all, the world has enough opinions. What it needs is more facts.

    I’m going to be posting far fewer of my own opinions here than on the Russia/GOP thread, mostly because I don’t know as much about the topic.
    At least not yet.
    Though I suspect I’ll have some opinions soon. That’s a constant for me lol.

    Stay healthy!



    First sentence: Future historians might record that the Covid-19 pandemic marked the start of a new cold war between China and the US.

    And not just the US.
    In this mess, China has gotten into fights with every northern European country with whom they should have an interest.
    China has alienated every one of those countries.


    In China, the Ministry of State Security told regional leaders that they need to prepare for armed confrontation with the United States.

    This is according to an internal Chinese state memo.


    Paris doctor says patient had virus at the end of December

    A new French study has found that COVID-19 was already spreading in France in late December 2019, a month before the official first cases were declared in the country.

    Dr. Yves Cohen, the head of an intensive care department at a hospital in Paris, told French television BFMTV on Sunday that the virus was present at their hospital in the north of Paris on Dec. 27. Dr. Cohen and his team re-examined medical records of intensive care patients admitted for influenza-like illness who tested negative for flu and other coronaviruses between Dec. 2, 2019 and Jan. 16, 2020.

    Out of the 58 patients included in their analysis, one 42-year-old man admitted on Dec. 27 tested positive for COVID-19. The man, a native of Algeria, lived in France for many years and worked as a fishmonger. His last trip was in Algeria during August 2019, the study found. The study notes that it has several limitations due to the retrospective nature of the analyses and the non-exhaustive medical records of their patients, but the study was carried out by two teams with two different techniques to “avoid any false positive results.”


    …and guess who is trying to steal it?
    Chinese groups, apparently.

  • Mobile phone data indicates a possible emergency shutdown at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in October 2019.

    That would support the story of the Parisian doctor who verified that he saw patients with covid-19 … in December.
    He hadn’t known what he was looking at.

  • October 11, 2019 Trump forces the Chinese Communist Party to accept “Phase 1” of a trade deal that is more favorable to the United States. Otherwise tariffs on approximately $250Bn worth of goods would go up from 25% to 30% according to NPR.

    November 18, 2019 Trump makes a mysterious visit to Walter Reed hospital for some “routine medical tests” that were supposedly part of his annual checkup per WaPo.

    December 13, 2019 the Office of the United States Trade Representative issues a statement that the United States and China have reached Phase One of the trade agreement.

    January 20, 2020 the first cases of COVID-19 are confirmed in the United States and South Korea, both enemies of the Chinese Communist Party.

    On February 29, 2020 the first death allegedly from COVID-19 in the United States is announced.

    March 19, 2020 Trump first mentioned hydroxychloroquine for treatment of the virus.

    As most of us are aware, thanks to Edward Snowden, the American IC vacuums up virtually all Signals Intelligence. You can bet our spooks knew within minutes from cell phone conversations in China that the virus had been released. This information would have been immediately relayed to the president.

    It’s a good bet that the medical experts at Walter Reed already knew the prophylactic protocol for dealing with this type of virus. The president was probably taken there to be briefed on the situation and provided with the appropriate regimen of drugs and supplements to prevent infection.

    Even Jammy understood the importance of hydroxychloroquine & brought it up in that other thread. In fact Dr. Fauci knew about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of SARS (a very similar Coronavirus) back in 2005:

    Quercetin seems to act as a transport mechanism to take zinc across the cell membrane much the same way as chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, but doesn’t require a prescription. That coupled with zinc picolinate, vitamin D3, adequate sleep and proper hydration will likely go a long way toward stopping us from contracting COVID-19 (if we haven’t already had it) before it ever gets started in our bodies. It appears, based on the fact he hasn’t told us any of this and is pushing for a vaccine that will take months at best (which he and his big pharma handlers stand to profit from), that we can’t trust Dr. Fauci.

  • If you want to see what the current best practices are for treating this Chinese Bio-Weapon, see this:

    There’s more in this document than merely “critical care”. There’s a section on prophylaxis. I highly recommend that you read it.

  • @jammy Hydroxychloroquine by itself probably won’t make any difference if the patient is zinc deficient (most Americans are). The efficacy of the Quinine compound is based on its ability to carry zinc through cell membranes where the zinc can prevent the virus from replicating.

    Furthermore, the study from the VA calling hydroxychloroquine into question was based on late term patients who were already near death. As Dr. Marik points out in the linked paper above, early and aggressive intervention is required. If you treat the common cold (another Coronavirus) early and aggressively with zinc (typically zinc gluconate lozenges or better yet, oral / sublingual spray) you halt it in its incipient stage.

    Waiting until the patient is nearly dead before implementing a partial treatment plan, then putting them on a ventilator which has an 85% chance of killing them is a pretty good way of emptying out nursing homes and VA hospitals. But if one wants the patient to survive, you have to intervene early with the complete regimen and avoid intubation.

    I encourage you to go here: Then follow up with your own research. Don’t limit yourself to the “official” sources. They tend to be politically biased as well as “moderated” by big pharma and the medical establishment, entities that are primarily concerned with how much money they can make off this situation. They have a vested interest in thwarting inexpensive and readily available treatments.

    Had I followed conventional medical advice, I would be on blood pressure medication for the rest of my life. But at 60 years old my blood pressure was down to 108/64 the last time I checked (last week). I achieved this by cutting virtually all simple carbs out of my diet (especially high fructose corn syrup).

    My conventional doctor at the time told me to cut all the salt out of my diet. When I explained what I’d done to drop my BP below 120/80 in 2 weeks he said “This isn’t possible, but I can’t argue with these results” If it wasn’t “possible” then how did I do It? I had done my own research and understood the relationship between simple carbs (sugars), uric acid build up in the bloodstream and hypertension. The mainstream MD did not know this. He was not keeping abreast of the latest research. I fired him for cause.

    One key factor in treatment of this modified Coronavirus is zinc. It must be in a bioavailable form and have a means to transport it across cell walls. Hydroxychloroquine does this. Quercetin works too and apparently EGCg (green tea extract) does as well.

    Azithromycin, according to Dr. Vladimir Zelenko appears to merely knock out any opportunistic bacteria coincidental to the viral infection. It probably isn’t necessary if you hit the virus hard in its incipient stage. Don’t take my word or anyone else’s on any of this…DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.


    Turning her back on China, for obvious reasons.

    It’s like Back to the Future, 1955 characters:

    Australia: Lorraine Baines
    China: Biff Tannen
    India: George McFly

    Kinda like that.


    Sec of State Pompeo called Beijing’s bluff over Hong Kong today, using very stern diplomatic language.

    This signifies that the era of great power competition between the USA and China has officially begun.
    Take off the rose-colored glasses, if you ever wore them.
    It’s the PRC. The People’s Republic of China.
    Any country with “people” in its official title is usually totalitarian or communist, and is often opposed to US interests.

  • @jammy said in China: the CCP, COVID-19, and information warfare with the West:


    I warned you about this early on in that other thread. But you’re so hung up on the Trump-Russia hoax you refused to acknowledge the seriousness of the Red Chinese threat. The way you counter this threat is by cutting off the flow of intellectual property and returning manufacturing to our shores. The Chinese Communist Party has used consumerism against us. Their big businesses started out under state control, they aren’t even remotely capitalist or free market. They are subsidized and state supported. The CCP was able to offer American, Australian and European “businessmen” the opportunity to profit off the backs of Chinese slave labor. Many of them have, enriching themselves while helping destroy our domestic manufacturing base and empowering CCP interests here in the U.S. in the process.

    As I have pointed out previously, the Freedom Road Socialist Organization and Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism have infiltrated the Democratic party. They are CCP funded Maoist organizations. The Democratic Socialists of America have infiltrated the Democrats heavily as well. Hence the likes of more visible players like AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Kamala Harris and Ilhan Omar appearing in national politics. There are plenty of others like them who are operating behind the scenes. Even though DSA is more Latin American / European aligned, they’re on the same Marxist page insofar as to how they want to “transform” America.

    Either Jammy knows all this and approves of it as shown by his support for the Democrats or he’s totally delusional and still thinks that it’s the party of JFK. I’m more inclined to believe it’s the former, hence the reason Jammy is one of the Democrat Party’s water boys. Here’s what Jammy really supports whether he likes it or not:

  • So, Maoist Communist Red China turns a bio-genetically engineered virus loose into the wild, conveniently while folks in Hong Kong are fighting for their freedom. Then about the same time that Communist thugs, because that’s what BLM and Anti-Fa actually are, decide to start breaking things, taking things and hurting people here in the U.S., suddenly everyone is required to wear a mask. What an a amazing coincidence during these times of ubiquitous surveillance cameras and facial recognition software! Think about it.

  • Here’s a good question about the aftershocks of the “Covid-19” (Certificate of Vaccination ID - AI) Plannedemic:

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